Scout Versus Sportster ??? Not Really

Well it looks as though Polaris has the new Indian Motorcycle Company revival going full steam. The new Chief and its variants seem to be doing well as they have a truly beautiful retro styled engine slotted into a decent heavy cruiser chassis with fairly unique looks. Not my cup of tea but I hope they do well with them.
Recently they announced the coming release of the new Indian Scout model with a 100 h.p. liquid cooled engine. This was certainly enough to make me take notice. Ever since then the internet has been buzzing with discussion about it. All of the Harley haters (and some of the “Big Twin” snobs) have popped up on Facebook and all of the forums predicting the end of the Sportster.

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Normally I would not write about a motorcycle that I do not have some personal experience with and having never sat on one yet will not comment upon its performance as a motorcycle, but just by looking at the available specs and pictures I can say with absolute certainty that this new Indian is no threat to Sportster sales. I repeat the new Scout is no threat to the Sportster. Sure it may be a more modern engine, in fact when I first heard about it I really had high hopes, until I saw the chassis it was slotted into.
There is not anything really wrong with the chassis if it is what you like, the North Star company has some of the best engineers in the world, and it looks really good and probably handles very well for a power cruiser. But you are locked into what you have, sure there are different footpeg and handlebar options, but the frame & suspension are finished. To put mid controls or rearsets on this motorcycle would require extensive modification, possibly a whole new frame. Ditto for trying to chop it, rake it or anything else. This is a completely finished motorcycle with a high tech alloy frame, there is really not much left to do to it, and at present time not much you can do with it.

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The new Scout is a power cruiser. Don’t think Sportster, think V-Rod, V-Max, & the dearly departed Honda Magna, this is the market segment that this new Indian plays to, and quite frankly it’s a rather limited market. Harley knows what they are doing with the Sporty, and they know that a big h.p. Sportster will not sell. They already tried with the XR1000 back in the eighties and they frequently collected dust on the showroom floors because they were unwanted and unloved.

Now THIS is a badass Harley!

Now THIS is a badass Harley!

Motorcycle magazines are another source of the speculation; normally they tend to treat U.S. manufacturers with kid gloves but are getting a kick out of fanning the flames of this potential rivalry. If it sells magazines more power to them.
But I digress let’s get back the Scout versus Sportster. As mentioned earlier I have not ridden a new Scout yet, but I have ridden dozens of Sportsters & believe it or not really like the way they ride and handle with the standard size wheels & tires, and some reasonably tall rear shocks. At this point in time the Sporty is still in a class by itself, Yamaha has made a good go of it with the Bolt but it still lacks street cred in some circles. It’s a cool bike but all of the other road pirates will pick on you for riding Jap crap.
Remember I mentioned earlier that the Scout seems to be a completely finished bike? Well the Sportster is not, and that is a very good thing. Sure you can buy your Sporty and leave it bone stock and have a nice enjoyable ride which will run on reliably nearly forever. But what fun is that? Here is the real advantage the Sporty has over every other motorcycle on the planet including the Motor Company’s own big twins, it is the most versatile two wheeled customizing platform to ever exist on the planet. You can make it into a chopper, bobber, street tracker, café racer, dual sport adventure bike, add bags & fairing for a touring bike, throw a wad of cash at the suspension & engine & create a canyon carver or a muscle bike / power cruiser, you can even race the damn thing if you want to. The factory has realized this and the have created several variants of the Sportster to take advantage of those wimps that don’t want to bleed on a bike in order to make it their own.
The new Scout look ready to kick ass & take names right out of the box but the Sportster is still the ultimate blank canvas for the garage artist.
Advantage Harley Davidson…

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You see a motorcycle, I see art waiting to happen!

Please note any pictures not taken by yours truly were listed as “free to use and share” by Bing image search. If I have inadvertently used your copyrighted image please let me know & I will be glad to replace or remove them.

 

1985 Kawasaki 454 LTD Another Junkyard Dog.

This one had been leaning up behind the fence in some guy’s back yard for a while…

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the droopy turnsignals are kind of sad looking

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Back in 1985 Cycle Guide raced on of these against a 454 Corvette and spanked it good. But time has not treated this little Kawasaki well.

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Somebodies kids tried to fill the tank up with dirt.

Notice the relatively low miles on the odometer, like so many motorcycles this was ridden for a while until the owner got bored with it or scared of it and it was left to rot. It no doubt switched hands a few times and had the same sequence of events happen over and over until finally something broke or the carbs finally gummed up and no one cared to fix it.

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This side view below shows that these bikes had a fairly good looking profile but even then the writing was on the wall for the fast, good handling, and comfortable 2 and 4 cylinder Japanese cruisers. Lighter & faster was no longer fashionable, so the big four answered the demands of their American customers, who really wanted a 1960s-70s Harley but with Japanese reliability & no oil leaks. It’s a pity because I think it would’ve been interesting to see where these designs went if they had continued to combine cruiser styling with super bike technology.

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Here’s a little bonus picture, not really big enough be a dog, we’ll call this one a junkyard puppy. It got thrown in on the deal with the Kawasaki 454 LTD above. It’s a little Baja MB165 mini-bike. A friend of mine has one & I really enjoyed riding it, and wanted one of my own, but never could quite convince my self to buy one. This one was left to rot after mommy & daddy got tired of replacing clutches on it. Most people don’t realize when they buy these mini-bikes (or go-karts either) that the clutches are expensive consumables that have to be replaced on a regular basis. I going to put a torque converter on it, a bigger rear sprocket & some ATV luggage racks to make it into a modern version of the old Tote Gote.

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February Website of the Month: motorcycleshows.com

Yes, I realize the whole Progressive International Motorcycle Show series is a giant money making commercial venture designed to sell products while entertaining the masses. That is cool with me as long as I have a good time while I am there. Most of the events for this season have already concluded, but there are a couple left to go. Plus the website is really cool and packed with lots of information about the various motorcycle line that the manufacturers will have on display including specs and msrp. I am planning to check out the Charlotte N.C. show and will take some pictures to share with you when I get back.

motorcycleshows.com

 

Carolina Fun Machines! Motopsyco’s September Website of the Month!

Carolina Fun Machines

Carolina Fun Machines is located at 12995 East Independence Boulevard. Matthews N.C.

www.carolinafunmachines.com

Yes I know they are mainly a scooter dealer. Even so all of you hairy chested macho badass guys & gals who only care about “real” motorcycles need to check these folks out after all in addition to the top quality scooters they also carry Cleveland Cyclwerks, Hyosung, and Sym motorcycles. Plus scooters are cool again, sure a lot of them are still 50cc post DUI transport, but there are available in larger fullsize and full speed models but in today’s world scooters are once again in style. And Carolina Fun Machines is the best scooter dealership I have ever had the pleasure of visiting. They are not some fly by night scooter dealer at the flea market, not a used car lot, with a batch of cheap shit scooters to sell for a quick buck but an actual functioning dealership that carries reasonably priced products of better quality. Plus the story of this stores founding is worth reading even if you have no other interest in their products, go check out the “about page” right now. Now click here to see the service department!

Here’s a shot of the store front for you.

at Carolina Fun Machines in Matthews N.C.

Hey Look its a Misfit, some cool scoots, and a go kart!

For you crotch rocket jockeys, how about a Hyosung GT-R? You can get it in a 250 or a 650!!

GT250R    GT650R

Hyosung GT R sitting in the showroom.

Meet the Syms!

Sym Wolf Classic, & Symba

The 110cc Symba and the Cafe Styled 150cc Wolf Classic

To check out the Wolf click here.

For the Symba…

And from the mighty company known as Cleveland Cyclewerks the meanest 250 chopper in all the world, Tha Heist

THe 250 chopper

Are you ready for some serious posing?

Don’t forget Tha Misfit!

Let me add one more picture of a Hyosung Motorcycle. Cruisers are available up to 700cc

Hyosung V Twin Cruiser

Hyosung V Twin Cruiser

There you have it folks they are a scooter dealer and so much more. I want to extend my thanks and gratitude to Tim and his staff for their help during my visit and for allowing me to drive the Misfit that I rode for my review last month. Please go visit the Carolina Fun Machines website or even better visit the store in person. Trust me if you live anywhere in North or South Carolina and are even remotely thinking of buying a moped, scooter of any size, or a small to midsize motorcycle, you owe it to yourself to check them out.

Peace Y’all

Strange happenings

Okay I officially got out of the motorcycle business years ago. Nothing ruins something you love faster than making it your job, but I still take care of bikes and ATVs for a few of my friends and one of my favorites of the whole bunch is this old 1100 Virago. Normally I detest most cruiser styled motorbikes, disliking the feel of forward controls and I’m not fond of having my knees next to a big fat gas tank or engine.

These older Viragos were uniquely Japanese cruisers that still remember how to run and handle like a real motorcycle, so I always take this one for and extended test drive just to be sure it is working right 😉
As I pulled back into my shop the trip meter displayed;

To borrow a phrase from one of the guys over at the bicycle forum
Rat Rod Bikes
“I’m not superstitious but I am a little stitious” so immediately after snapping this pic I reset the trip meter.